Posts by Saltheart Foamfollower

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My dilemma

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i have a bit of a dilemma that i would welcome advice on from the forum.. a brother in my congregation is giving evidence of having woken up - his comments and talks are usually slanted towards topics discussed here.

he is a former elder and is part of a group of other former elders and ministerial servants who i regularly overhear using terms i would expect to hear from ones knowing ttat.

he is a quite an effective teacher and will probably influence some.. however, in the past he has caused lots of problems for myself and others who i like (including another poster to this site who i have identified) and continues to be someone who i dislike intensely on a personal level.. his comments have been noticed by the body of elders and he is being watched.

Saltheart Foamfollower

Finkelstein - thanks for your comments which have made sure I re-examine my motives etc - that's why I posted the topic in the first place. When I mentioned exposing him, I was really just suggesting an extreme position to get opinions rather than something I was seriously thinking of doing. I have been mentally out for about 16 years now and have overheard many things which I should have reported as an elder but haven't. I am genuinely happy when anyone, even someone I dislike (I'm not too keen on his son) escapes from the borg. As I mentioned, another poster here has a much larger grievance against him than I do and I view the members of this group more as sisters and brothers than I do those in my congregation. This affects how much help I feel I can give him. As the general consensus seems to be that I should do nothing, that is what I am planning to do.

SF

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Literature being discontinued, including Isaiah's Prophecy and Reasoning book

by Richard_I in

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friends

congregations get an annual letter that tells what can be ordered for literature (it's mainly a list of audio cds/dvds for the deaf), but this time it included publications that will be discontinued, and this included the isaiah's prophecy book and the reasoning book, and i think i saw the draw close to jehovah book.

i meant to take a picture of the letter but forgot.

the branch is only going to give what they have on stock, when that stock depletes that's it, you won't be able to order those publications anymore.. this is in canada so i don't know if this is worldwide..

Saltheart Foamfollower

Just logged in to jw.org and I can tell you that in the UK at least Isaiah 1 & 2, Reasoning and Draw Close can still be ordered.

On the subject of books going out of date, the newest Organized book, released this year, is already out of date with the change to reporting.

SF

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My dilemma

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i have a bit of a dilemma that i would welcome advice on from the forum.. a brother in my congregation is giving evidence of having woken up - his comments and talks are usually slanted towards topics discussed here.

he is a former elder and is part of a group of other former elders and ministerial servants who i regularly overhear using terms i would expect to hear from ones knowing ttat.

he is a quite an effective teacher and will probably influence some.. however, in the past he has caused lots of problems for myself and others who i like (including another poster to this site who i have identified) and continues to be someone who i dislike intensely on a personal level.. his comments have been noticed by the body of elders and he is being watched.

Saltheart Foamfollower

Thanks for your replies - sorry I haven't got back sooner, I had t go offline for a while.

What I have disliked most about him is that he used his position to make others feel very unwanted to the extent that they had to move away, whilst pulling every trick in the book to protect his family who were getting up to all sorts of things (I've no problem with them doing so - I "helped" his son get reinstated then never attend again - the problem was how he attacked others who were trying to do the same thing for their families)

The real dilemma is that the group he is a part of (in fact probably the leader) has in it ones who I do like and admire. His actions have possibly helped them to start waking up, but could also get them into trouble.

My instinct was to keep my distance for now. I never had any intention of revealing myself to them - I could send him an email from my alias account.

SF

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My dilemma

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i have a bit of a dilemma that i would welcome advice on from the forum.. a brother in my congregation is giving evidence of having woken up - his comments and talks are usually slanted towards topics discussed here.

he is a former elder and is part of a group of other former elders and ministerial servants who i regularly overhear using terms i would expect to hear from ones knowing ttat.

he is a quite an effective teacher and will probably influence some.. however, in the past he has caused lots of problems for myself and others who i like (including another poster to this site who i have identified) and continues to be someone who i dislike intensely on a personal level.. his comments have been noticed by the body of elders and he is being watched.

Saltheart Foamfollower

I have a bit of a dilemma that I would welcome advice on from the forum.

A brother in my congregation is giving evidence of having woken up - his comments and talks are usually slanted towards topics discussed here. He is a former elder and is part of a group of other former elders and ministerial servants who I regularly overhear using terms I would expect to hear from ones knowing TTAT. He is a quite an effective teacher and will probably influence some.

However, in the past he has caused lots of problems for myself and others who I like (including another poster to this site who I have identified) and continues to be someone who I dislike intensely on a personal level.

His comments have been noticed by the body of elders and he is being watched. So my dilemma is whether I should warn/help him or should I leave things alone or even try to expose him?

SF

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Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

Saltheart Foamfollower

The thing that REALLY annoys me about the new songs is that they expect us to either print them out ourselves (I am not a publishing company - you are) or try to read a tablet display shared among three or four. All they have to do is to print the lyrics in a study watchtower then it could be cut out and saved.

Oh yes, and the content annoys me too.

SF

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Can everyone agree on an anti-Watchtower definition?

by WireRider in

i would like to see a unified effort from those that have defected.

certainly there are exceptional, very legitimate, detailed experiences from a few.

what about the regulars that chose to leave?

Saltheart Foamfollower

Jhine - I think we may have just formed a new political party. I also need help to clean up after my brain exploded.

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Can everyone agree on an anti-Watchtower definition?

by WireRider in

i would like to see a unified effort from those that have defected.

certainly there are exceptional, very legitimate, detailed experiences from a few.

what about the regulars that chose to leave?

Saltheart Foamfollower

.......and after that can we solve the middle east crisis?

Seriously though, although the debate would be good I feel that one of our strengths is that, unlike the wtbts, we don't have to agree on anything. But please feel free to disagree with me.

SF

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Elders now ORDERED by the Org to fleece the sheep

by The Searcher in

the org is now demanding money from the witnesses, via the latest letter sent to elders regarding the circuit's excess funds.

succeeded in getting elders everywhere to hand over their own congregation's "excess funds" - now their circuit's bank balances are going to be plundered.. the spineless and subservient elders will cooperate without a whimper, because they're afraid of losing their little bit of power which the org has bestowed upon them.

(john 11:48).

Saltheart Foamfollower

The strange things about this letter are that it is not addressed to elders but to assembly overseers and that (if my recent ca was anything to go by) it is to be read out to the audience during the financial statement at the assembly. Anyone else been recently and managed to stay awake through the financial statement?

SF

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Why designated hotels?

by punkofnice in

does anyone know why the congregations are urged to use only recommended hotels for a$$mbies?

Saltheart Foamfollower

There was a local needs item this week which dealt with this - the letters about this were posted a few days ago :-

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5101567506120704/3-more-boes-just-arrived

SF

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2015 November 19, BOE! Circuit Account Balances!

by Atlantis in

delete if already posted.. .

2015-november 19, boe.

.. re: review of circuit account balances.

Saltheart Foamfollower

At our recent ca this letter (or possibly one very similar) was read out when the financial statement was presented to the whole assembly. Earlier, in the elders meeting, there was a lot of thinly disguised hostility towards it - elders have learned from what has happened in their own congregations after sending all of their money in. As a result, although a large donation was sent, sufficient was retained to fully fund 2 or 3 more assemblies - they said they were going to be very cautious about how much was sent.

SF